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Thread: Why keep hot snakes?
01-22-2007, 01:03 AM #1
Why keep hot snakes?
Please don't bash me, I actually would like to know the draw of keeping venomous snakes. With a local Reptile Zoo I have been priveledged to see many of them up close, at rest, cranky, eating etc. I must say I was captivated watching a Bushmaster walk its upper fangs up its food, much like I am use to watching my python walk his lower jaw up his food.
So my question is one of educational purposes. Why do you keep venomous snakes?
ThanksOnly when the last tree is cut down, only after the last river is poisoned, only when the last animal is destroyed will mankind learn he can not eat money.
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01-22-2007, 02:19 AM #2Originally Posted by Panthea
personally i love them for the way they act the way they look how they make great display animals and of coz the way they put down there prey and feed.....its kind of sadistic in a way but its nature
one will have to question themselves b4 getting a hot
living at home with loved ones?
is your reptile room secure?
antivenom handy at home or local hospital!!?
the list goes on
i live with loved ones and have a secure room i dont got antivenom at home or the local hospital
so i only plan to keep hots that are not hot
01-22-2007, 04:37 AM #3
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A big part of the alure of keeping venomous snakes for me Is as you describe.
They are very challenging and demand a higher level of respect and learning
I also think that to me most boas and pythons look too much alike. there patterns are not as varied and cryptic. they are primitive in comparison to pit vipers for example and they tend not to be as active most of the time.
One might argue that you can't handle venomous snakes like you can non vens but that is not entirely true..When one tubes a snake It can be handled safely and examined as much as necessary.
The only down fall to keeping venomous snakes Is that Vet care can be difficult to obtain. Most vets will perscribe meds If you can pursuade them with a reasonable diagnosis..You have to have a good vet manual like the bible by
Mader DVM. But if you need any procedures like a biopsy or x-rays they won't do it (liability issues)So with all that said ,They are amongst the most fascinating animals on the planet!
01-22-2007, 05:06 AM #4
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I fall under the category of thinking hotz belong in the wild, in zoos, or in labs.
As impressive as I think they are, for me the risk of having hotz as pets is not a worthwhile trade off. But, for the purpose of science (venom protein for medicine or breeding programs in zoos) itís well worth the risk.
Just my 2 cents
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01-22-2007, 07:03 AM #5
The love of the animal. Would be my only reson if I kept any.
01-22-2007, 09:52 PM #6
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I'm sure part of it is just that it's something that not everyone has. Then venomous are just that much more unusual.
Part of it is that I feel for any animal that is so persecuted, and again venomous snakes about top the list. Someone has to love them... (If you've never met a wolf in person, I highly recommend it, you'll never forget it.)
Many of them are just visually beautiful, but in that way I guess they're no different than non-venomous.
As far as not being able to handle them...well, people who keep aquarium fish never touch them and most people who own birds probably have less physical interaction than we do with our venomous.
Yes there is some danger, but try to put it in perspective. If you're careful, get some training and work your way up responsibly I'd bet most people do riskier things every day. Given the relative number of people who own hots to those killed by their hots, I'd guess the risk is in the same neighborhood as the risk of slipping and smashing your skull getting out of the shower. We walk up and down stairs, we cross the street, we drive on the highway! Some people even ride bicycles at the edge of the road with traffic whizzing by. Now THAT scares me...and I've actually seen someone killed that way. A helmet probably would have saved him, but I'd bet that most people don't honestly think people who ride a bike without a helmet are taking a huge risk (I don't).
Then there are seriously risky things like mountain biking, not to mention dirt bike racing. You can be killed scuba diving, rock climbing, possibly even parachuting...lots of things that people PAY lots of money to do. You want dangerous, check out kite boarding. I'm not bashing any of the above... I'd like to try all of the above at some time, with the exception of kite boarding which I consider way too dangerous. And even then, if kite boarding is your thing, go for it...most people survive it.
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01-22-2007, 10:02 PM #7
It is probobly just the challenge it self.
01-22-2007, 10:34 PM #8
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Same question can be asked about any group of herptile and the answers are prettty much the same too.
01-22-2007, 11:07 PM #9
For me, I got into venomous because I was always interested in tree snakes, but most non-venomous arboreals are too big, too broing, or rarely feed on mice. My friend breeds GTP's, and they are interesting, but too big, and somewhat ugly in my opinion.
I was looking for a small (2-3ft) bright colored, active, arboreal snake that feeds well on mice, has a history in captivity and doesn't cost a fortune, so the easiest to find option was a tree viper of some kind. The fact that they are venomous is a very interesting quality, but is more of a by-product of those criteria than a criteria itself. In the future I'm looking into getting some Boiga too, whose venom is relatively inconsequential in humans, compared to an Atheris squamigera anyways.
The fact that I cannot free handle these animals makes no difference. Looking at them through glass is good enough for me. And like other people have said, and I've said before, if kept properly and responsibly, the risk is no greater than driving on the highway. I've come alot closer to dying on the 401 than I have ever come handling a venomous animal, and I expect that to continue.
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01-23-2007, 06:30 AM #10
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Why hots? The same reason anyone keeps any snake. I do not do it becuase it is cool. I do not do it becuase I want to tell everyone I have venomous snakes. I actually brag more about my nonvenomous. lol. I do not do it to impress anyone. I do it becuase I love the species. I will not get a hot just to get it. I am not much of a cobra guy. SO I have turned down great deals on cobras. Now I am a huge arboreal guy. I love the Arboreal Vipers to Mangroves. I love mangroves I think more then any other person. i feel they are also under rated as a species for captives and many do not know they prduce a three figure toxin.
I am getting a Boomslang very very soon from my good friends in Florida. HUH JOE? And a few more mangs. And I think a piggy will also be in there. Joe this female I have is over 25 inches!!!! She is a monster!
I also am getting a pair of western Diamond Backs. Friday. FUN FUN............. Buzztails are cool. lol But nothing like a mangrove or an arboreal.
Like I tell my family. Once you get past the venom it is just another snake.
Why do I keep hots. Becuase I am a big kid that loves herps.
01-23-2007, 07:35 PM #11
I wanted to thank you all for actually answering my question, with clear and understandable answers. It opens my eyes to why responsible people keep hots, and has given me much to consider.
I most likely would never have a hot, simply because I am already alergic to scorpion venom and I would not want to take the risk of the reaction to the venom of a snake and then the worse reaction to the anti-venom.
I have to agree there are some very interesting venomous snakes, so far my favorite would be the bushmaster.
Again thanks so muchOnly when the last tree is cut down, only after the last river is poisoned, only when the last animal is destroyed will mankind learn he can not eat money.
07-30-2015, 01:52 PM #12
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[QUOTE=Panthea;123134]Please don't bash me, I actually would like to know the draw of keeping venomous snakes. With a local Reptile Zoo I have beening etc. I must say I was captivated watching a Bushmaster walk its upper fangs up its food, much like I am use to watching my python walk his lower jaw up his food.
So my question is one of educational purposes. Why do you keep venomous Snakes
People that keeps venomous snakes successfully are people with a great passion for these animals.nothing else compare.they are very different.they demand respect.
They are gorgeous animals not only the ones that display amazing colors but in design.adaptation.hunting behavior.and not to mention scientific medical importance to name a few things...most venomous keepers was fascinated buy the way they kill their pray and the look of for example cobras with their infamous hoods..or the rattlesnake with their high sounding warning rattle and their pits that detects pray in complete darkness!their potent defence that in alot of cases is very deadly!! thats impressive for a livining thing!!but that quickly transform into a deep respect and appreciation for what these animals actually are!its no longer a facination that their venom kills its pray in seconds anymore but what the venomom actually is.and how a protein can have different components that effect living tissue.organs etc..they are the ultimate predetors!
but most keepers that are genuinly passionated about their venomous snakes actually becomes addicted!!i know i did!much like a base jumper or alike its a adrenalin rush to deal with venomous snakes.even if you know exactly what you do and have done the procedure a thousand times you still get that rush!!
all this said venomous snakes are not for the average snake enthusiast.not by far..
i have kept and bred a high number of species and sub species of venomous snakes(lost the count many years ago)and i still become that kid in the candy store when i get to deal with a new venomous snake!!
my mentor that mentored me in handeling elapides always said that educate your self.get all the knowledge possible so you can follow these five roules of venomous snake keeping.#1 dont get bit..#2 dont get bit..#3..#4..#5 Dont get bit!!simple but powerfull as that practice will keep you as safe as you can be keeping venomous snakes..after 26yrs i never got bit by anything deadly and i intend to keep it that way
26years of experience dealing with venomous snakes and i have met a hand full of people here in canada which maybe half had what it takes to be a responsible successful venomous snake keeper...
it is legal in many areas in canada to keep venomous snakes.
so why isnt there a venomous forum here??why is everyone hiding??
we should stick together!!share our knowledge.(mentor new enthusiasts)educate!!create a community for all passionated venomous reptile folks out there hidingin the shades!!
There is so much more to the passion of keeping venomous snakes.
and if you are one of those people that wants to show off by getting a venomous snake.DONT.not only will you risk your own life but also others.be resonsible.educate your self and find a mentor.start the right way and help this hobby instead of contributing to the bi-laws making it illegal in the rest of the areas in this country!
as im also passionated about crocodileans id like to mention that the fundaments of responsible keeping of these animals apply as well!!
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11-03-2016, 09:19 AM #13
Why keep hots?
I don't keep hots yet however I find them to be very fascinating animals, the way they act, their appearance and so on. I first became interested after an incident when I was 14 and bitten on the foot by a Crotalus atrox while hunting, instead of letting it scare me I decided to learn more about them and developed a great appreciation for venomous snakes. I've worked with many species of Crotalus since then and discovered that they're nowhere near as aggressive as people make them out to be and have an undeserved bad reputation. Most importantly though they're just interesting animals.